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Difference between a Messianic Gentile, a Messianic Jew and a Christian

This blog, having started to attire people to come to recognise the rebbe Jeshua as the Way to God, also brings up the question about the connection we do have to make as believers with each other and with Jeshua and his heavenly Father, the Elohim Hashem Jehovah.

On the web can be found a writing of a certain Christopher, who calls himself a Messianic Gentile, residing in the Pacific Northwest. At Messianic gentile journey of faith he presents his discovery as a gentile of the Jewish Roots of his faith.

He tries to give a picture of where there is a difference between Messianic and Christian terminology and between the different faith groups.

For him

Messianic Gentiles and Christians have various important things in common. First, and foremost, both believe that salvation can only come through accepting the sacrifice that Yeshua (Jesus) made on the Tree (Cross) of Calvary. Messianics and Christians also believe that Yeshua will return and rule an eternal Kingdom. {Messianic Journey of Faith}

We even can say that is the base of Christian Faith.

Looking at the use of the name he, like above, seems to overlook a big difference in who is seen behind the person.

Looking at the reason why he writes “Yeshua” instead of “Jesus” he states

Yeshua is the name He would have been familiar with growing up. A good friend of mine likened it to meeting a Frenchman named Jacques. One would refer to him and address him as Jacques and not Jack.

Again, this is a matter of my own personal preference. “Yeshua” and “Jesus” are the same exact person.


The names Joshua and Jeshua in Hebrew writing ...
The names Joshua and Jeshua in Hebrew writing with “taggim” (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Yeshua being an old spelling we prefer to use the official contemporary spelling rules, prescribing to use “Jeshua”. Concerning Jeshua and Jesus to be exactly the same person we have some doubts. First of all The name Jesus is not a transliteration of His Birth Name, YaHshua, Yehushua or Yehoshua.  Iesous (Hail Zeus) came to replace Yahshua, Yashuah and,or, Yehoshua. the name Joshua is found in the popular KJV Bible, a government authorized bible, by the way. This name, Joshua, was pronounced by the English as Yoshua. This name, Joshua, is the Old English equivalent of YeHoshua, or YaHsua. It is the Old English transliteration of our Lord’s name, a name also found in the KJV Old Testament under the Book of Joshua or Sefer Yĕhôshúa. Our Saviour’s Birth Name is found in the KJV Bible, even to this day, so why was this name replaced with the name Jesus you could wonder? If they already had the correct transliteration then why did they change it when it came to the New Testament, and thus lead the whold of Christianity astray? You can answer that one for yourself.

The birth Name or equivalent Names are “transliterations” of the original Hebrew while the name Jesus is not, it is from a Greek/Latin name, later changed from IESVS to Jesus by the English, pronounced as He-Zeus in most of the world outside of those speaking English — the English were and still are pronouncing this false name as Geez-us. Why would the translators use a bogus name like Jesus, or Iesvs, when the more appropriate and honest transliterations are available? Even the name Joshua (should be pronounced — YaHshua) is closer and a better choice than the false name, Jesus. According to the Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary, the word, used as a name, Yeshua, is to be pronounced as — YaH-shoo-ua or YaH-shoo-ah. This is a far cry from Yeshua, pronounced by the masses as Yes-shoo-ua.(Jeshua)

We do agree for the non-trinitarians using Jesus they have exactly the same Biblical figure in mind. But the majority of Christendom admires a godhead of three units of which Jesus is one of them, taken in the image of Zeus (hence (He Zeus) or Jupiter, the pagan god. Logically no real Christian or real Messianic would agree to call such a person the same as the biblical Jesus whose real birth-name is Jeshua and who did not want anything to do with pagan or false gods.

The Jeshua or Jesus Christ of the Bible has only One true God as his God, like we should only have One True Elohim and not worship a Trinity like the majority of Christendom does. Though in Christianity there are many real Christians who worship that Only One True God, the God of Israel, Who is also the God of Jesus and his disciples.

God is not man is stated in the Tanak (Jewish Bible) Three Times. Numbers 23.19, God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good? 1 Samuel 15:29, And also the Glory of Israel will not lie nor repent; for He is not a man, that He should repent.’ Hoshea 11.9 I will not execute the fierceness of Mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim; for I am God, and not man, the Holy One in the midst of thee; and I will not come in fury. {Why I am not a Messianic Jew}

Too many do forget that God is an eternal Spirit, not having birth nor death.

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24 ASV)

Real lovers of Jeshua do love God and want to worship that God above all gods in spirit and truth.

“22 Ye worship that which ye know not: we worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers.” (John 4:22-23 ASV)

Salvation has come from the Jewish master teacher Jeshua, who learned his followers to pray and worship only his heavenly Father, to Whom those who honour the Messiah may say “Our Father

The Torah says not to follow a false prophet. Deuteronomy 13. If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams–and he give thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee–saying: ‘Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them’; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God putteth you to proof, to know whether ye do love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. {Why I am not a Messianic Jew}

Jeshua is not a false prophet, but man have made of Jesus a false prophet who is telling lies and faking situations, like his temptation if he is God – because God cannot be tempted, and his death – because God cannot die. Real followers of Jeshua or Jesus do naturally know that Jesus never claimed to be God and that he did very well know that he could do nothing without the Only One God Who is greater than him.

“28  Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe. 30 I will no more speak much with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me; 31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.” (John 14:28-31 ASV)

“Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner.” (John 5:19 ASV)

Jesus came to make it more clear that God’s word is not only “written to Israel and Israel alone”, like some people still may think. {This is not for those who go to church this is for those who are searching for the truth!} Jeshua or Jesus (if you prefer) came to explain the works of God and the Law of God. He also came to talk to those who rebelled against God every step of the way. {This is not for those who go to church this is for those who are searching for the truth!}

We can see that the gentiles, who worship their three-headed god, “now that they’ve learned that God promised Israel a kingdom, … want that Kingdom for themselves,

“that’s why we don’t question the title Christian, we cling to that title, just as a spoiled child would cling to a toy that doesn’t belong to them. {This is not for those who go to church this is for those who are searching for the truth!}

We must be very conscious that

the Gentiles were pagans by their own choice, they did not want anything to do with God At All by their own choice, they created and wanted this world that we live in and still want it today. {Acts 17 Proves who the Christians are and Who We Are?}

20/21st century contemporary symbol for the Messianic Jew’s movement

Goyim or Gentiles having chosen to accept Jeshua or Jesus as their lord, may wonder if in the line of following Christ may be called Christian or if they should be called Messianic, because they are following Christ as the Messiah; or they could even go so far to consider becoming a “Messianic Jew“, whilst other people (Christians and others who came to know God) may wonder if they have to become Jew.

Some may go so far to want to implement a Biblically kosher diet. They may come to say

This is different than the definition of kosher most are likely familiar with. The Biblically kosher diet is spelled out in Leviticus and is rather specific in terms of which types of animal are clean and unclean. The definition of kosher most are likely familiar with includes traditions that are spelled out in addition to the standards in Leviticus. These additional standards are typically found in the Talmud. {Messianic Journey of Faith}

For most Messianic and non-trinitarian group, whilst some may think

Maintaining a Biblically kosher (or the stricter rabbinical kosher) diet are Not required, but may certainly be undertaken after prayer if one feels a “divine invitation” and is undertaking this choice with the guidance of Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit). {Messianic Journey of Faith}

A symbol that Messianic Jews believe was used to identify the first Messianic congregation, led by Yeshua (Jesus)’s brother Jacob in Jerusalem
Amsterdam, Portugese Synagoge, (17 januari 2015) 131.JPG
The Esnoga in Amsterdam or Portuguese Sephardic synagogue

Concerning to places of prayer we may find groups who call their meeting place a church whilst others prefer to call them synagogue, Bet Kenesset or Beit Knesset (house of assembly),  shul, esnoga, snoga or snoge, or temple. Several non-trinitarian christians speak about a Meeting House, Housechurch, Ecclesia, Ecclesia Hall, Prayer Hall, Meeting Hall, Kingdom Hall, Assembly Hall, Assembly House, House of Prayer, Prayer House, Worship Temple or just simple (?) Temple.

Christopher tells us

I refer to my house of worship as a synagogue as opposed to a church for the following reasons:

a). We utilize a Jewish liturgy (i.e. the Shema, Mourner’s Kaddish, and Aaronic Benediction are parts of each service).

b). The leader is an ordained rabbi, not a pastor.

c). Yeshua was Jewish and He worshipped in a synagogue.

Having said this, many Gentile churches (whose leaders are pastors) are now incorporating Messianic elements into either their weekly services or they occasionally hold special Messianic services. It is truly a blessing that Gentile churches are rediscovering the “Judeo” in “Judeo-Christian”.

Those who are looking for fitting in a Messianic or in a Jewish community may not forget that the many Jewish groups are tied together by their belief in only One True God and by the belief that God inspired the authors of the Tanakh (Bible), which must be understood within a particular cultural context – what historians call an oral tradition. This oral tradition eventually was canonized in the Mishnah, and classic rabbinic Midrash collections. It was then expounded upon in the Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmuds.

An egalitarian community doing Torah Lishmah – תורה לשמה – study for it’s own sake, writes

in recent centuries many new groups have appeared, some growing out of the Jewish community, and some coming entirely from non-Jews, who are decidedly non-Jewish in every way, yet who attempt to take the mantle of Judaism for themselves.

The mainstream Jewish community – Reform to Conservative to Orthodox – agrees that the following groups are not Judaism. Despite our differences, our monotheism, Tanakh and oral law holds our communities together:

* Humanist Judaism / Society for Humanistic Judaism (recognized as atheism)

* Jews for Jesus / Messianic Jews / “Completed Jews” (recognized as Christian)

* Messianic Jewish Rabbinical Council (recognized as Christian)

* Black Hebrew Israelites (recognized as Christian)

* Sabbateanism (or Sabbateans, / followers of Sabbatai Zevi – a dangerous cult that split off from Judaism.

* Frankism / followers of Jacob Frank – a dangerous cult that split off from Judaism.

* Kohenet Hebrew Priestess movement (neo-pagan goddess worship, whose prayers literally mention pagan gods.)

* Messianic followers of any deceased Rebbe. Some Hasidim believe that a deceased rabbi is still alive, is the messiah; they use language which describe the rabbi as being God’s voice incarnated in a human body, and/or in charge of the Universe. {Groups that claim to be Jewish}

Chava Studios Shavuot watercolor

Marty Goldberg correctly remarks that we may not forget the secular Jews.

Those who are born Jewish, but do not pray and may follow some traditions, but are otherwise non-religious. That includes many of us, who know we’re Jews, but don’t practice it much.

There is no “Secular Jewish” denomination of Judaism writes kaiserscience. Too many people do forget that secular Jews may not be considered to be part of the religious Jews and that we may not forget that they often take measures totally against the rules of the Most High Elohim, bringing damage to God’s People. We must consider those secular Jews as atheists like the many atheists populating Western Europe.

It can be questioned if the Hebrew Roots Movement are modern day Judaizers. Geri Ungurean, who calls herself a Jewish Christian, writes

I would say that is accurate, except for the fact that most are not Jews. Are they dangerous? Most assuredly so. The teachings of these groups diminish the finished work of Christ on the Cross; making Him a liar. They are in essence saying

“Christ lived and died as an example to us, but we must keep the law to be saved.” Heresy!! We are not able to keep the whole Law of God! {Hebrew Roots: A Different Gospel}

She reminds her readers (and us) that

God’s plan from the beginning was that salvation would be offered to the whole world.  {Hebrew Roots: A Different Gospel}

Whatever denomination one wants to belong when one wants to be a lover of the Real divine Creator one should know that that Most High Elohim is a Singular Omnipotent Omniscient Spirit God Who does not want His people to worship other gods or to make graven images of Him or any god. Those people who worship a binary or trinary god for sure never can belong to a Jewish community, but also not to real Christianity, where there is only place for believers in the One and Only One True God, the Elohim Hashem Jehovah.


The Judaism family tree – Created by Robert Kaiser (From Merrimack valley havurah)



In addition to Page 1: Jew, Messianic Jew, Messianic, Christian or better a Jeshuaist


Additional reading

  1. The Almighty Lord God of gods King above all gods
  2. Almighty God above all other gods greater than all gods
  3. Only One God
  4. God of gods
  5. Trinity matter
  6. Trinity – Behind a false doctrine
  7. Trinity – History
  8. Spelling Yahshuah (יהשע) vs Hebrew using Yehoshuah (יהושע)
  9. Yahushua, Yehoshua, Yeshua, Jehoshua of Jeshua
  10. Jezus, Yeshua, Yahushua
  11. Is Jezus of Yeshua de beloofde Verlosser, de Messias?
  12. Yeshua a man with a special personality
  13. Heer, Yahuwah, Yeshua of Yahushua
  14. Lord or Yahuwah, Yeshua or Yahushua
  15. The Divine name of the Creator
  16. Seeing the world through the lens of his own experience
  17. Disciple of Christ counting lives and friends dear to them
  18. What’s church for, anyway?
  19. Gathering or meeting of believers
  20. Meeting – Vergadering
  21. Congregate, to gather, to meet
  22. Making church
  23. An ecclesia in your neighborhood
  24. Parish, local church community – Parochie, plaatselijke kerkgemeenschap
  25. Why we do not have our worship-services in a church building
  26. Communion and day of worship
  27. The Field is the World #1 Church Union
  28. The Field is the World #2 Church Union #2 Bible quotes
  29. A Jewish Theocracy
  30. God won’t ask
  31. Christadelphians or Messianic Christians or Messianic Jews
  32. The Sabbatean Prophets
  33. Sabbatai Zevi (Jewish Convert To Islam)
  34. Converso Involvement in the Sabbatai Zevi Movement
  35. Forgotten History-The Jews from Geleen 1940-1944.


Further reading

  1. On church and millennials: a belated response to Rachel Held Evans
  2. Addressing Disunity In The Churches of God
  3. This is not for those who go to church this is for those who are searching for the truth!
  4. Denominaitons & Largest 25 Denominations/Communions from the 2012 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches.
  5. A Divine Revelation of True Christianity
  6. Many Jews believed in Him
  7. Jew Born Anew
  8. The Ger Toshav Certificate Within Messianic Jewish Community
  9. Have We Lost The Next Generation?
  10. In Response to Evangelicals Embracing Passover


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